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]]> By: Dawn Jacquelyn http://www.catholicdadsonline.org/posts/2592/can-you-have-too-many-children/#comment-30473 Dawn Jacquelyn Sun, 29 May 2011 07:10:09 +0000 http://www.catholicdadsonline.org/?p=2592#comment-30473 I hit the unsubscribe thingy and it's not working. A Catholic friend of mine had recommended this site to me to begin with. I was under the impression one could express his/her opinion, respectfully of course, but I find this place to be too argumentative and not a good site for me to learn from, which had been my intent. I want out. Kindly get me OFF your subscription list. ASAP, thank you. I hit the unsubscribe thingy and it's not working. A Catholic friend of mine had recommended this site to me to begin with. I was under the impression one could express his/her opinion, respectfully of course, but I find this place to be too argumentative and not a good site for me to learn from, which had been my intent. I want out. Kindly get me OFF your subscription list. ASAP, thank you.

]]> By: Dawn Jacquelyn http://www.catholicdadsonline.org/posts/2592/can-you-have-too-many-children/#comment-30467 Dawn Jacquelyn Sun, 29 May 2011 06:17:53 +0000 http://www.catholicdadsonline.org/?p=2592#comment-30467 The Duggars, sadly, lost a child. Upon studying their bible, they came to the conclusion that God had punished them, causing this particular child's death, because they'd been using birth control. From then on, they decided to never use any form of birth control again, and to keep on having children no matter what that number of children would eventually amount to. I find this egregiously arrogant. THEY personally "interpreted" God's will; they "knew" God had taught them a lesson. They have, and are displaying, an image of a god who will kill your children as punishment if you use birth control for any reason. This is not only irresponsible, but sheer lunacy. Their example portrays God as a vengeful, uncompromising monster Who thinks nothing of killing innocent babies. Who in their right mind could love a god like that? Then there's the fact that a network and some companies built them a house. This is self-sufficiency? And if they didn't have the income from their sensationalism, they could not support themselves and all those children. This is CHARITY. I watched the show only a few times. During one episode, the father was telling some of the kids the biblical account of Noah's Ark. If they believe all of that story literally, then they must be Fundamentalists. They should be educating their children with facts, e.g., evolution. I happen to believe in what is known as Theistic Evolution, meaning God did it, but through evolution. After all, God had all the time in the world, right? If one really thinks about it, the story of Noah's Ark is just that - a story. If it is not, then how did Noah get to Australia, for example, to find a pair of kangaroos? I won't go into this further as I consider it a waste of time. I believe children are God's greatest gift, but I also believe God gave us brains and common sense with which we are to be responsible. Who's going to support the Duggars if tv decides to drop them? The Duggars, sadly, lost a child. Upon studying their bible, they came to the conclusion that God had punished them, causing this particular child's death, because they'd been using birth control. From then on, they decided to never use any form of birth control again, and to keep on having children no matter what that number of children would eventually amount to.

I find this egregiously arrogant. THEY personally "interpreted" God's will; they "knew" God had taught them a lesson. They have, and are displaying, an image of a god who will kill your children as punishment if you use birth control for any reason. This is not only irresponsible, but sheer lunacy. Their example portrays God as a vengeful, uncompromising monster Who thinks nothing of killing innocent babies. Who in their right mind could love a god like that?

Then there's the fact that a network and some companies built them a house. This is self-sufficiency? And if they didn't have the income from their sensationalism, they could not support themselves and all those children. This is CHARITY.

I watched the show only a few times. During one episode, the father was telling some of the kids the biblical account of Noah's Ark. If they believe all of that story literally, then they must be Fundamentalists. They should be educating their children with facts, e.g., evolution. I happen to believe in what is known as Theistic Evolution, meaning God did it, but through evolution. After all, God had all the time in the world, right? If one really thinks about it, the story of Noah's Ark is just that – a story. If it is not, then how did Noah get to Australia, for example, to find a pair of kangaroos? I won't go into this further as I consider it a waste of time.

I believe children are God's greatest gift, but I also believe God gave us brains and common sense with which we are to be responsible.

Who's going to support the Duggars if tv decides to drop them?

]]> By: Joyce http://www.catholicdadsonline.org/posts/2592/can-you-have-too-many-children/#comment-11118 Joyce Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:14:15 +0000 http://www.catholicdadsonline.org/?p=2592#comment-11118 First off, I believe the people in the Catholic Church are teaching error on Natural Family Planning...Catholic's do not, nor ever did plan their Children..It is rooted in tradition and you can't change what has already been defined and explained by the Early Church Fathers, and Popes encyclicals before Vatican ll. Vatcian ll and any encyclicals after MUST only explain more in depth the Teaching.....but NEVER to change it and the GIFT of CHILDREN always was and always will be the PRIMARY reason for marriage...not unitive. That's where the unclear teaching has caused many to use NFP as an alternative to Birth Control and without GRAVE REASON...it is to be exercised only by speaking to a holy priest, not one that will agree with your not so grave reason, and with prayer...and then only to be used during the duration of the GRAVE REASON, if the GRAVE REASON, persist, than with both spouses approval must abstain forever, offering up this great sacrifice to God and for the marriage. Prayer must be the root of their lives. For apart from God they will not be able to do it. Also, when you have to chart, take temperatures, plan when and not when to procreate or not to procreate....there is nother NATURAL about Natural Family Planning! Instead of teaching constantly about NFP, the people in the Church should be teaching the Blessings of Children and that with a deepening of Faith, one can rely on the Providence of God to give them all the necessary graces to raise a big family, if God chooses to give a married couple many, many children. We have taken the Trust In God and replaced it with Trust in ourselves. ...The word Responsible Parenting, is not Catholic either...for a Catholic is responsible only when He listens and obeys the TRUE TEACHINGS of the ancient Fathers of Our Catholic Faith. We must test anything modern that the people in the Church, including the hiearchy with TRADITION and if it isn't the same, we must pray for the Catholic Church to get back to the TRUE TEACHINGS and correct these errors when we are give the opportunity, like now. I pray that married Catholic Couples start to embracing the TRUE teachings that have been handed down for over 1,960 years before Vatcian ll or the Protestant reformation, that Children are a gift from God ...who is the source of all Blessings whether we think they are or not. Kudo's to the Duggers, for they are more Catholic than the majority who say they are Catholic! First off, I believe the people in the Catholic Church are teaching error on Natural Family Planning…Catholic's do not, nor ever did plan their Children..It is rooted in tradition and you can't change what has already been defined and explained by the Early Church Fathers, and Popes encyclicals before Vatican ll. Vatcian ll and any encyclicals after MUST only explain more in depth the Teaching…..but NEVER to change it and the GIFT of CHILDREN always was and always will be the PRIMARY reason for marriage…not unitive. That's where the unclear teaching has caused many to use NFP as an alternative to Birth Control and without GRAVE REASON…it is to be exercised only by speaking to a holy priest, not one that will agree with your not so grave reason, and with prayer…and then only to be used during the duration of the GRAVE REASON, if the GRAVE REASON, persist, than with both spouses approval

must abstain forever, offering up this great sacrifice to God and for the marriage. Prayer must be the root of their lives. For apart from God they will not be able to do it. Also,

when you have to chart, take temperatures, plan when and not when to procreate or not to procreate….there is nother NATURAL about Natural Family Planning!

Instead of teaching constantly about NFP, the people in the Church should be teaching the Blessings of Children and that with a deepening of Faith, one can rely on the Providence of God to give them all the necessary graces to raise a big family, if God chooses to give a married couple many, many children.

We have taken the Trust In God and replaced it with Trust in ourselves.

…The word Responsible Parenting, is not Catholic either…for a Catholic is responsible only when He listens and obeys the TRUE TEACHINGS of the ancient Fathers of Our Catholic Faith. We must test anything modern that the people in the Church, including the hiearchy with TRADITION and if it isn't the same, we must pray for the Catholic Church to get back to the TRUE TEACHINGS and correct these errors when we are give the opportunity, like now.

I pray that married Catholic Couples start to embracing the TRUE teachings that have been handed down for over 1,960 years before Vatcian ll or the Protestant reformation, that Children are a gift from God …who is the source of all Blessings whether we think they are or not.

Kudo's to the Duggers, for they are more Catholic than the majority who say they are Catholic!

]]> By: Rob Kaiser http://www.catholicdadsonline.org/posts/2592/can-you-have-too-many-children/#comment-10404 Rob Kaiser Tue, 01 Jun 2010 05:39:22 +0000 http://www.catholicdadsonline.org/?p=2592#comment-10404 Jason, I can't reply to the bottom of your reply above so I continue here. The blog you showed me does not tell me anything "wrong" with that movement. It does sound like someone who has lost her faith. <a href="">Here is a video from a Catholic woman of 11 whose husband abandoned her, yet she remains a faithful Catholic.</a> I am not defending some movement I don't belong too or know enough about, but I am answering your original question - NO you cannot have too many children. Period. If you have a beef with the quiver full movement but not my answer, then the post had the wrong title. If you think there is "too many" even if not part of that movement, then we are in substantial disagreement. Jason, I can't reply to the bottom of your reply above so I continue here. The blog you showed me does not tell me anything "wrong" with that movement. It does sound like someone who has lost her faith. Here is a video from a Catholic woman of 11 whose husband abandoned her, yet she remains a faithful Catholic.

I am not defending some movement I don't belong too or know enough about, but I am answering your original question – NO you cannot have too many children. Period.

If you have a beef with the quiver full movement but not my answer, then the post had the wrong title. If you think there is "too many" even if not part of that movement, then we are in substantial disagreement.

]]> By: semperjase http://www.catholicdadsonline.org/posts/2592/can-you-have-too-many-children/#comment-10393 semperjase Mon, 31 May 2010 21:33:02 +0000 http://www.catholicdadsonline.org/?p=2592#comment-10393 There is no arbitrary number, but the Catholic Church does give us guidance on how to determine that for each family (see the original post). Keep in mind, the post was in the context of the Quiverfull movement. The more I find out about the them, the more leery I am. This movement is anti-Catholic. They reject the concept of maintaining control over our innate drives and emotions as taught in the quotes I cited in the OP above. This is just as important to human dignity as being open to life. Here is an example from a woman who left the movement: <a href="http://nolongerquivering.com/2009/03/12/to-those-who-may-be-shocked-disappointed-and-hurt-by-the-news-of-my-apostasy/">http://nolongerquivering.com/2009/03/12/to-those-...</a> There is no arbitrary number, but the Catholic Church does give us guidance on how to determine that for each family (see the original post). Keep in mind, the post was in the context of the Quiverfull movement. The more I find out about the them, the more leery I am. This movement is anti-Catholic.

They reject the concept of maintaining control over our innate drives and emotions as taught in the quotes I cited in the OP above. This is just as important to human dignity as being open to life. Here is an example from a woman who left the movement: http://nolongerquivering.com/2009/03/12/to-those-…

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